FEATURED AMD Seems to Effectively Give Up (For High-End CPUs)

[Neuromancer]

I have never cared about the $600 chips. i like making the best system that my finances allow. the build i am about to start will be the most expensive system i have built. i have been building systems since the Intel 166mhz with mmx was new. lost all respect for Intel during the celeron p2 time.

I remember getting a $400 Sledgehammer back in the day I was WOW! So much money!! I tend to stick in the 50-150 range normally. Once in a blue moon I will pay more for one. Never ever pay 600 though

When the everyday CPU costs that much? I will stick to last gen Which I am doing on AMD now and sort of with Intel.

 

[mjw21a]

I remember getting a $400 Sledgehammer back in the day I was WOW! So much money!! I tend to stick in the 50-150 range normally. Once in a blue moon I will pay more for one. Never ever pay 600 though

When the everyday CPU costs that much? I will stick to last gen Which I am doing on AMD now and sort of with Intel.

You're spot on..... My current budget for a CPU is $300 absolute max, In the past it was $200. My current Thuban I picked up for $60

 

[Frakk]

You're spot on..... My current budget for a CPU is $300 absolute max, In the past it was $200. My current Thuban I picked up for $60

Bargain!!

 

[Neuromancer]

I think there is some truth in that, and @ £600 / £700 for one like mine most people simply cant afford gamer rigs, a £150 Xbox 360 is a good substitute and the household PC need not be more then an Internet browser.

The difference between a PC and a "gamer" pc? A video card.

A $150 video card blows away a $150 console.

Now... If you DONT already have a PC. then yes its cumulative.

However. If you dont already have a TV you must factor that cost into the Console as well I dont so a Console would cost me about 650 or so unless I use my computer monitors

That being said, playing with my kids on the Wii is worth the money spent on it. They LOVE it. Their enjoyment is infectious. I would never play Super Mario or Glee Karaoke or Lego Star Wars on my PC.

 

[Frakk]

The difference between a PC and a "gamer" pc? A video card.

A $150 video card blows away a $150 console.

Now... If you DONT already have a PC. then yes its cumulative.

However. If you dont already have a TV you must factor that cost into the Console as well I dont so a Console would cost me about 650 or so unless I use my computer monitors

That being said, playing with my kids on the Wii is worth the money spent on it. They LOVE it. Their enjoyment is infectious. I would never play Super Mario or Glee Karaoke or Lego Star Wars on my PC.

your right, but your also looking at it from your own perspective, you and i know how to take bits out of a computer to replace with other bits, we also know what bits are what and what to replace them with, most people don't and rely on people like us to do that for them, which usually involves going to the local IT specialist, and that can get expensive.

 

[mjw21a]

Bargain!!

Kind of, we weren't sure it would work initially. It was on sale as an item that'd gone underwater in the floods last year. It had what looked like a mud mark (which wouldn't come off) on the heatspreader and a few bent pins. I unbent them, plugged it in and voila, it worked, which is great as they wouldn't accept returns. It was a buy at your own risk kind of deal.

your right, but your also looking at it from your own perspective, you and i know how to take bits out of a computer to replace with other bits, we also know what bits are what and what to replace them with, most people don't and rely on people like us to do that for them, which usually involves going to the local IT specialist, and that can get expensive.

You're sort of right on this but not to the extent you may think. There are far more people out there that know enough to buy and replace their own video cards. Heck, if someone's willing to do a little research I've seen a number of people build their own rigs who've never done so before. Computers have become pretty standardized and easy to work on these days.

 

[Dabandit1]

......I say I pod generation,but really its the internet driven T.V that will change the game,once the computer is in the living room people wont want to go to the office to use it,and of course a bulky upgradable tower doesnt look good or even fit most living rooms....so it will get smaller faster and dumbed down for the masses. Lets face it a dual core 1.2ghz smart phone does what the majority of the market needs a computer for,and a tablet and dumbed down htpc will do the rest......the majority of the market doesnt need more power...and majority rules a buisness.

Biggest problem I think is most people fear computers,because they often screw them up due to their own ignorance.....I crap is idiot proof

This is like command prompt,dosshell to windows all over again,they've been dumbing down computers for a looooong time

Any increase you are seeing in D.I.Y badboy computers is due to the current economy I suspect,since the market went to ****e I've had to rethink every dollar I spend,Im a cpu die hard so I built one as cheap as possible.

But for most the thought will be...hey a console has keyboards available,plays nearlly every game on a 8core and costs under 200$ hmmm and I can check my email and do facebook and pictures and what not on it and my smartphone hmmm

The console/htpc is the future my friends

 

[I.M.O.G.]

The future is smart phone docking. Drop your phone on the dock, it outputs 1080P to your LCD, full keyboard plugged into the dock, mouse and everything. External storage also remains plugged into the dock. Thats a good work computer for most.

Intel just started putting their processors in phones. Thats where things should get interesting I think.

Console's and HTPC's have been around for a while, neither have penetrated the market well - consoles have limited interfaces, cumbersome to use, limited functionality. HTPC's are nice, but require a lot of configuration and isn't simple enough - most people can't set the time on a VCR, they need something more accessible.

 

[Apht3rThawt]

HTPC's are nice, but require a lot of configuration and isn't simple enough - most people can't set the time on a VCR, they need something more accessible.

What's a VCR? I was surprised by my new car showing artist and song-title and other things on the LCD. Am I behind? :-{

Smart-phone docking is the near future, after that it is a chip in the head when you are born. I wrote a story in 1981; the main character had a chip in his head for phone, banking, library, no internet yet so didn't write that in. The obstetrician will say; "Circumcision? Chip?" Us old-timers will be retrofitted. My Favorite Martian; antennae poking out, like a Wi-Fi dongle.

I used to keep my old systems as museum pieces but they became too many, too quickly. Eagle lunch-box portable, wish I still had that!

 

[Neuromancer]

The future is smart phone docking. Drop your phone on the dock, it outputs 1080P to your LCD, full keyboard plugged into the dock, mouse and everything. External storage also remains plugged into the dock. Thats a good work computer for most.

Intel just started putting their processors in phones. Thats where things should get interesting I think.

Console's and HTPC's have been around for a while, neither have penetrated the market well - consoles have limited interfaces, cumbersome to use, limited functionality. HTPC's are nice, but require a lot of configuration and isn't simple enough - most people can't set the time on a VCR, they need something more accessible.

Yeah I don't buy into that argument. I tried using my aunts droid. It is so counter intuitive to anything I have used in the last 33 years of computer usage. Cell phones in general make no sense to me. My 13 year old niece showed me how to tun on speaker phone on my octane. (flip it open! not really a conducive move if driving so not something I would have thought of.)

And yes I know I have a girls phone (now wjem I saw 10 year old girls playing with them) I cant see paying $50 a month for limited dial up type speed mobile internet When I can get 25MBps/5MBps at home for the same price and hotspots are ALL over the place.

3G sucks monkey nuts

 

[Neuromancer]

your right, but your also looking at it from your own perspective, you and i know how to take bits out of a computer to replace with other bits, we also know what bits are what and what to replace them with, most people don't and rely on people like us to do that for them, which usually involves going to the local IT specialist, and that can get expensive.

Which is why every place the average person would go and buy a video card has a "sped squad" or a "turd for hire" to break your computer for you

And doesn't every family have a 12 year old in it? I know we are programming our kids to be morons anymore and not care how stuff works. School system did it to my son. He used to care Why things are, now he throws fits if they just dont work. But there is still one right? Well maybe not. It was my Father, then my Uncle now it is me that does all PC stuff for the family. It will be my son next unless the facebook generation completely ruins him.

I hate it when he says "the computer is cheating"

EDIT: hmm maybe both my posts have a correlative theme... (I am an old luddite? Or new tech is not as good as old tech...)

 

[Niku-Sama]

i dont know about other people because i do know theres a bit of an age difference between my self and alot of the outher people here, although not a huge age difference between me and the younger ones but enough for them to possibly not know unless they read up on their history of this. i've been in this since socket 5/7's so its just history repeating it self.

this sounds exactly like socket 370 days. amd had been on par or less than intel in the market for a long while. then come the next generation, as some one said before, and AMD rocketed past intel durring the P4 days and also picked up a scum bag in the process.

thinking about it though i dont remember any "high end" processors that cost 600+ in the desktop market for AMD. that was the cool thing while they were beating the pants off of the Presshots and the EE chips that intel had, they were still less and yet they were still beating their high end. so in some given time they will just make some cheap *** chip and it will kick *** at the same time in the near future.

i've noticed alot lately that history is repeating it self in the tech world. Cartridge games are comming back as well

also alot of people are intel loyal arround here because its an Oregon company but i think they are getting enough support and their practices that have been brought up i think hurt the local economy more than help.

side note:
should i stick with AM3/AM3+ or FM? or is something different comming. just trying to get the longest lasting socket.
i want to get a 960T but i also dont want the socket i use to die soon

 

[trekky]

i dont know about other people because i do know theres a bit of an age difference between my self and alot of the outher people here, although not a huge age difference between me and the younger ones but enough for them to possibly not know unless they read up on their history of this. i've been in this since socket 5/7's so its just history repeating it self.

this sounds exactly like socket 370 days. amd had been on par or less than intel in the market for a long while. then come the next generation, as some one said before, and AMD rocketed past intel durring the P4 days and also picked up a scum bag in the process.

thinking about it though i dont remember any "high end" processors that cost 600+ in the desktop market for AMD. that was the cool thing while they were beating the pants off of the Presshots and the EE chips that intel had, they were still less and yet they were still beating their high end. so in some given time they will just make some cheap *** chip and it will kick *** at the same time in the near future.

i've noticed alot lately that history is repeating it self in the tech world. Cartridge games are comming back as well

also alot of people are intel loyal arround here because its an Oregon company but i think they are getting enough support and their practices that have been brought up i think hurt the local economy more than help.

side note:
should i stick with AM3/AM3+ or FM? or is something different comming. just trying to get the longest lasting socket.
i want to get a 960T but i also dont want the socket i use to die soon

well i know piledriver is FM 2 so our am3+s will not work but i will probly upgrade in 2 years or more so im not the best person to ask

and i hope your right maybe piledriver 10 core CPU will kick intels rear end soo hard AMD will rethink their CPU making

 

[mjw21a]

i dont know about other people because i do know theres a bit of an age difference between my self and alot of the outher people here, although not a huge age difference between me and the younger ones but enough for them to possibly not know unless they read up on their history of this. i've been in this since socket 5/7's so its just history repeating it self.

this sounds exactly like socket 370 days. amd had been on par or less than intel in the market for a long while. then come the next generation, as some one said before, and AMD rocketed past intel durring the P4 days and also picked up a scum bag in the process.

thinking about it though i dont remember any "high end" processors that cost 600+ in the desktop market for AMD. that was the cool thing while they were beating the pants off of the Presshots and the EE chips that intel had, they were still less and yet they were still beating their high end. so in some given time they will just make some cheap *** chip and it will kick *** at the same time in the near future.

i've noticed alot lately that history is repeating it self in the tech world. Cartridge games are comming back as well

also alot of people are intel loyal arround here because its an Oregon company but i think they are getting enough support and their practices that have been brought up i think hurt the local economy more than help.

side note:
should i stick with AM3/AM3+ or FM? or is something different comming. just trying to get the longest lasting socket.
i want to get a 960T but i also dont want the socket i use to die soon

Nah, been in the game since 386 era myself too so yeah, plenty of stuff goes around in circles.

I'd expect the current FM sockets to e replaced sooner than AM3+. There's a few years in AM3+ yet. It's priving to have similar longevity to their old socket 939.

AMD continues to be a company that trades purely on value and tends to only attract informed buyers in those area's they remain competitive in. When it comes down to it, the only reason I'm still with them is that Intel mainboards in the $100 price range do not offer the featureset I look for. When I say features I'm actually talking about a decent number of expansion slots, nothing else. Thats all that really matters to me as long as the board can handle some moderate overclocking. My current board of choice in the AMD world is the AsRock 970-Extreme3.... I never run more than 1 video card so crossfore or SLI mean nothing to me.... Besides, AMD doing well in some of the most recent games to me shows the shape of things to come where thigs are more highly threaded. Looks promising for AMD.

As for consoles, I'm the proud owner of a Retro Duo, but running original SNES controllers off of it. My fav game on that with mates after a few beers remains Battle City. It's basic, and fun. Something I need after too many beers.

 

[Neuromancer]

@Niku

$600 they most definitely did have.

The x2 4400 Toledo chip was a $500+ and the FX series chips approached near $1000 IIRC

 

[Khan]

@Niku

$600 they most definitely did have.

The x2 4400 Toledo chip was a $500+ and the FX series chips approached near $1000 IIRC

A couple of the FX models were $1000 for sure, I remember drooling over them back in the day but never saw myself spending that on a cpu, they destroyed all the competition and thus the "legend of FX" was born.

 

[Robert17]

IF AMD becomes more of a mainstream (consumer - for the masses) oriented design shop leaving Intel to the high-end market, I've got a hunch that a Qualcomm, IBM, or other company may see a niche opening for enthusiast chips, or maybe just want a shot at a beast of a chip to show off their expertise, maybe a shot across the bow of the world of record keeping.

And yet another dream-mist thought occurs to me that a breakthrough could be in the works that may also be a paradigm shift in computing: quantum, ballistics, or other-than-silicon. Either way, Intel may dominate forever or just another decade after which OC'ing may involve salt and brake fluid rather than LN2.......who knows.

 

[Niku-Sama]

@Niku

$600 they most definitely did have.

The x2 4400 Toledo chip was a $500+ and the FX series chips approached near $1000 IIRC

i remember the FX series chips being more derived for server since they needed registered ram and all that other fun stuff. i want to say that was socket 940 but i cant remember for sure. i should i had a set up for a short time that could only use registered ram like a server, kinda why i skipped over that

 

[Khan]

i remember the FX series chips being more derived for server since they needed registered ram and all that other fun stuff. i want to say that was socket 940 but i cant remember for sure. i should i had a set up for a short time that could only use registered ram like a server, kinda why i skipped over that

I believe you're thinking of the Opteron.

 

[jaymz9350]

I believe you're thinking of the Opteron.

The early FX's were on 940 (at least the FX51 & 53).

Then there were opterons on 939 that were fairly expensive, I think I payed $400 for my 170.